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"Wheelerguy" (wheelerguy) 06/02/2016 at 11:38 • Filed to: Ferrari Enzo, Ferrari F50, Musings

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Is the Ferrari Enzo the realization and living idealization of what the F50 was supposed to be back when the latter was released?

dogisbadob > Wheelerguy 06/02/2016 at 11:43

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No, it isn’t. The Enzo is an abomination “obamanation” that looks like a fucking hot wheels toy.

The F50 is a really cool-looking car that gives the best impression of “race car for the street” and gets you pumped!

StingrayJake > dogisbadob 06/02/2016 at 11:44

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I like the Enzo.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Wheelerguy 06/02/2016 at 11:47

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Admittedly, I don’t like the Enzo’s looks.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Wheelerguy 06/02/2016 at 11:49

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No. The F50 had solid motor mounts and an F1 V12. It was basically an early 90s Ferrari F1 car crammed into an F50 body. The Enzo was and always will be just a road car. Most of the F50 complaints have to do with how uncivilized it is. Seems like kind of the point.

Party-vi > Wheelerguy 06/02/2016 at 11:50

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The F50 is the realization and living idealization of what the F50 was supposed to be. The Enzo is the realization and living idealization of what the Enzo was supposed to be.

Danger Ranger XLT > Wheelerguy 06/02/2016 at 12:05

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The F50 is the natural evolution of the F40. Handles better and doesn’t have turbo lag to muck things up. Read the impressions of those who have driven both. Clarkson aside, F50 > F40.

The Enzo is a turning point in Ferrari’s history. The focus of their road cars is absolute technical superiority, a direction alluded to earlier but permanently established with the Enzo.

Clemsie McKenzie > dogisbadob 06/02/2016 at 12:09

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Man the Enzo is awesome. Rarely have I been more floored with a car than when I discovered it at the 2002 Paris Auto Show, as a kid. On the other hand, the F50 never did much for me. If I want a brutal, racecar-for-the-road Ferrari I’ll go with the F40, if I want an ultimate V12 hypercar I’ll go with the Enzo.

OCD-CO > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 12:16

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Agree, they were what they were at the right time.

F50 = raw and vicious car that was considered ugly by many Ferrari Tifosi.

Enzo = Raw and vicious car that was considered ugly by many Ferrari Tifosi.

F50 is now 21 years old, and has aged amazingly well, it still is an amazing car by today’s super-car standards.

Now that the Enzo is darn near 14 years old, and has aged amazingly well, it has come to be an icon in the super-car lexicon.

My point is that all of the flagship Ferrari models are perfect for their decade, age beautifully, and also are what they were meant to be at that time.

Party-vi > OCD-CO 06/02/2016 at 12:18

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Who complains more - Wrangler people whenever there’s a new model, or Ferrari people whenever there’s a new halo car?

OCD-CO > Clemsie McKenzie 06/02/2016 at 12:18

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Enzo is not a hypercar. Supercar.

Current generation of recent Hybrid’s, Koennigsegg’s, Pagani’s, Bugatti’s, etc. are Hyper.

OCD-CO > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 12:21

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Right!!!

And I am a Jeep guy too! I had a TJ and would never want a JK. Now I want a JK because the new JL is gonna suck...... lol

I have a Cherokee XJ, and the reboot of the Cherokee, well, that did suck, lol.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Wheelerguy 06/02/2016 at 12:26

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I would take a F50 over an Enzo.

I may or may not have issues.

Thomas Donohue > Wheelerguy 06/02/2016 at 12:26

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I’d spend less and stick with an F40 before getting and F50. For $6 million or whatever an Enzo goes for, I’d buy a new house with a 12 car garage. Just never liked the look of either car.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Wheelerguy 06/02/2016 at 12:30

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I think the F50 captures what it’s like to drive an F1 car - it’s peaky, revvy, torqueless engine, stuff, high strung, uncomfortable ride, etc.

I think the Enzo captures what people think it’s like to drive an F1 car - huge power, effortlessly fast, etc.

Also, I think the Enzo captured the “F1" look much better.

TheHondaBro > OCD-CO 06/02/2016 at 12:43

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Back then the hypercars were the Carrera GT/SLR McLaren/Enzo. before those, it was the 959/F40/F1, much the same way the Miura is a supercar, even though it can be humiliated by a modern V6 Accord. They’ve evolved, but they’re still what they were.

Party-vi > OCD-CO 06/02/2016 at 12:47

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Looks the JL is going to suck worse than the JK, which sucked worse than the TJ, which sucked worse than the YJ, which sucked worse than the CJ, which was apparently the best thing Jeep ever made.

OCD-CO > TheHondaBro 06/02/2016 at 13:01

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The actual term “hyper” did not evolve until it was common for super cars to go above 200mph.

HammerheadFistpunch > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 13:02

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pretty much. The Fxx cars (and certain GTO’s) are all about the state of the art. I think the Enzo will be remembered about as fondly as the F50 in another generation...i.e. not well. Personally I think it looks far worse than the F50, but I’ve always liked the F50 so...

OCD-CO > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 13:03

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Ding ding ding, we have a winner. But, you need to go further back to the Bantam and WWII Ford Jeeps. Those are the only good Jeeps. lol

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > OCD-CO 06/02/2016 at 13:07

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I was watching that icon owner talk about his Willys and he pronounced it like Willis. Is that how it really is pronounced, while everyone says like wet “willy”, because my grandpa never said it like that and we had one.

Party-vi > OCD-CO 06/02/2016 at 13:07

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Do not besmirch my CJ3A.

OCD-CO > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 06/02/2016 at 13:09

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“What’cha talkin about WILLIS?”

To be proper it is pronounced Willis, yes. Willy’s is a common misconception because of the spelling.

Now, since we are taking over this thread, sorry WheelerGuy, do you know the origin of the name Jeep?

OCD-CO > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 13:47

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Jelly on that one.

Party-vi > OCD-CO 06/02/2016 at 13:49

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J ust E xpect E xpensive P arts

Party-vi > OCD-CO 06/02/2016 at 13:49

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no jellies or jams. Damn thing leaks like a sieve.

RT > Wheelerguy 06/02/2016 at 13:50

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The brief for the F50 was meant to a be F1 car for the road iirc.

The Enzo had nothing to do with that, it’s a separate story to the F50.

But, both cars turned out similarly. So, I guess you are correct, but it’s more by coincidence if anything.

Besides, both cars have a roughly equal amount of fans and critics.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 14:16

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Wrangler people have had far more cause for concert with being bought by Chrysler followed by Fiat and the killing of the I6 which was one of the only things people still trusted in for a while.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > OCD-CO 06/02/2016 at 14:16

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The JK is the first one without the AMC I6 in like forty years, right? It’s a Jeep! Just kidding!

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 14:18

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They’re all just bloated CJs, so yeah. CJ’s going to be the best.

Party-vi > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 06/02/2016 at 14:20

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Wrangler people only existed after Chrysler saved AMC and renamed them Eagle. Jeep was the big reason AMC was purchased in the first place.

Party-vi > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 06/02/2016 at 14:21

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The Jeep CJ is the best Jeep if you like your vehicles rusting and leaking all the time. So a good fit for Chevy people :3

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 14:22

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Or an old Toyota person ;) Chrysler added electrical woes to the mix.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 14:24

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Oh yeah. No Jeep (and more specifically no ZJ in the works) and no Iaccocca buyout, but Jeep would have been grabbed by someone else if AMC tried to hold out and went under. Jeep’s too valuable to disappear.

Party-vi > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 06/02/2016 at 14:24

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I would gladly embrace the Chrysler electrical gremlins for a chance to get rid of the AMC/Renault/Bendix vacuum gremlins.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 14:30

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Yeah, but since it’s old enough to be emissions exempt pretty much everywhere, you may as well gank that shit and never have to think about the engine again until 300k when it’s time for a new head gasket.

Party-vi > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 06/02/2016 at 14:32

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I almost got there with my Cherokee, then I buried it into the back of an ML500. Hence the E46, which is a good car but a terrible XJ replacement.

OCD-CO > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 14:32

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Bendix - NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 14:33

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The ML guy burried his back in the front of your Jeep. We got your back.

Party-vi > OCD-CO 06/02/2016 at 14:33

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*whispers*

“Renix”

*shudders*

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 14:37

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Had a knock sensor, so still better than the NOPAR shit.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > OCD-CO 06/02/2016 at 15:03

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I was a Marine, I heard it came from GP, general purpose, like Hummer or humvee came from the designation.

Party-vi > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 06/02/2016 at 15:15

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Renix was awesome except for the obsolete diagnosis regimen that came with it.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 15:17

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Yeah, but the same could be said for just about any pre-OBD EFI diagnostic procedure. On my MR2, it entails shorting pins in an electrical box while watching the check engine light blink in the pattern that indicates which code it is.

Party-vi > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 06/02/2016 at 15:19

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Jesus fuck that sounds terrible.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi 06/02/2016 at 15:23

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It’s not as bad as it sounds. Still threw me for a loop the first time I did it. Mid engined, so you can see the dash in front of you through the rear window while working. There are only a few codes, so it’s not like you’re going to have to leaf through a book for it and it seems like the part starts going bad long before it starts shooting codes. It’s actually kind of clever.

http://www.challoner.com/mr2/tech/diagn…

Party-vi > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 06/02/2016 at 15:26

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I find it interesting that Toyota made you speak Morse code with your car to diagnose issues.

nermal > dogisbadob 06/02/2016 at 17:08

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I agree.

Nauraushaun > Wheelerguy 06/02/2016 at 23:17

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They just follow similar design language, because Ferrari. The LaFerrari shares some features with the F50 that the Enzo does not, such as the black line surrounding the whole body

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Wheelerguy 06/02/2016 at 23:17

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The F50 was the car that was faster than a F40 but comfortable enough for the driver to want to drive and not just for track sessions.

The Enzo was the next evolution.